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vikkram
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confusing using vray
Posted 05-Jul-2008 9:04 PM

hi andy, anthony, might3d, bhnn, caprier and others. how r u all? after a long time i am posting on this site. thanks for clearing my previous doubts.

Now i think after six months i have started similar project. This time as you ppl suggested i started with vray. this is my favourite rendering engine since its first release but i never tried it before.

Now coming to the problem:

When i render in scanline and vray i got following results (see images)

1. image is very dark with vray even after using high multiplier. i don't know what makes it so dark. even the sky is also rendering dark.

settings: lights: standard direct light with multiplier 3.0 nad light yellowish color, materials: standard, camera: vray physical camera.

vray specific settings: Global switches: default lights is off, rest all default settings

image sampler: type: adaptive subdivision, rest all default

adaptive subdivison image sampler: max rate: 2, rest all defaults

GI: refractive is on, primary bounces 1.0, irediance map, secondary bounces 0.5 (tried default value 1 also) quasi-monte carlo

irediance map custom: basic parameters: min rate: -4, max rate: -4, hsph subdivis: 50, interp samples: 20, rest defaults

gi environment on, light sky blue color with multiplier 2.0

color mapping: linear multiply, dark multiplier: 3.0, bright multiplier: 1.0, rest defaults.

 








 

vikkram
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RE: confusing using vray
Posted 05-Jul-2008 9:06 PM

with standard lighting
Caprier
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RE: confusing using vray
Posted 06-Jul-2008 1:45 AM

Hey Vikkram! Long time no see.

I replicated your settings and I have no idea of what's wrong with your render. In fact, the environment skylight alone set to 2 (direct light turned off) is burning my scene to whites.
The only thing I can think of (so far) is the type in the color mapping. Is it set to the default (linear multiply)?

Beautiful building, btw.

anthonyjackb...
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RE: confusing using vray
Posted 06-Jul-2008 3:59 AM
Modified by anthonyjackbishop On 06-Jul-2008  4:07 AM

HI

how it going? sorry i cannot help you with Vray i am using mental ray i tried the Vray demo verison i could not make heads or tails of it. i looked on you tube for a tutorial and found them ppl to be good for tutorials but i could not see what they were pressing so i went back to the mental ray render....


Good luck Anthony

add me http://www.myspace.com/anthonypoconnor :-)











 

vikkram
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RE: confusing using vray
Posted 06-Jul-2008 6:40 AM

fine anthony. how r u?

caprier, ya i am using default linear multiply only for color mapping but changed dark mapping to 5 as advised google search with topice "vray exteriors rendering dark", otherwise it is even darker than now.i have tried all this settings first on a simple scene with out the materials (followed a tut) and it is fine. i am attaching that here.






Caprier
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RE: confusing using vray
Posted 06-Jul-2008 11:36 AM

I think I found it, but not sure.
If it were a real picture, I'd say it's under-exposed. I completely missed the fact that you're using vray physical cam. My attempts were just perspective renders.
In the physical cam's basic parameters (still cam type), try to lower the shutter speed or increase the iso. You need to catch more light. Have a look at the vray manual (miscellaneous plugins > vrayphysicalcamera) if needed.
This should solve the problem (I hope).
vikkram
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RE: confusing using vray
Posted 07-Jul-2008 8:30 AM


my god caprier, i never expected this clue. i never expect this kind of camera effects. really wonderful. its amazing cam very close to the realworld. I just used it because it is there. i don't know anything about it. thanku very much. since how many days you are using this? this is the first time i used that is since 1 day.





ecidream
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RE: confusing using vray
Posted 07-Jul-2008 8:43 AM

first off, you're using environment light and a vray sky in the background?  these do the same thing, so pick one.  turn the other off. you background is a vray sky map which is connected to a vray sun, I've noticed you're not using the vray sun.....this is part of the problem. the other part is the settigns for the physical camera.  this is why it's underexposed. you have to adjust the aperture and exposure on the vray camera as you would with a real manuel camera. It looks like you have a vignette on the image which is turned on by default in the physical camera settings.  if you never used vray before, i'd get rid of the physical camera and the vray sky environment map.  once you learn how to manipulate the more basic settings, these new features will make more sense. although I'm not a big fan of the vray sky and physical camera.

as for you're settigns, assuming you ditich the vray sky and cam, and use only the the environment light, set it to almost white, and no more then 1.0

leave all globals where they are by default

pick an antialiasing filter other then area, catmulROM works good for architecture scenes.

adaptive subdivision is fine, although there are better approaches depending on if you're shooting an exterior or interior.  for now leave the adaptive on. set the sample to either min 0,max 2 or min 1,max 3. the 1,3 combo will be nice and sharp but take longer to render, go with 1,2 and if you see any weirdness swtich it to 1,3.

your GI is fine as is, set the irrediance map to low ->min -3 max -2.  check on the right side of the settigns for options, make sure the check boxes are checked for show calc phase and show direct light.  this will show you the light being calculated and you can tell before the image is fiinished rendering if it's too dark or too bright.

leave color maping to it's default: linear, all multipliers to 1.0. you can slelect the check box for clamp output and subpixel mapping if you get artifacts around highlights in the form of black outlines.
vikkram
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RE: confusing using vray
Posted 07-Jul-2008 8:45 AM

sorry by mistake i posted a test render with white material override. Plz suggest me some changes and make some comments to make my redering look more better. i think dark color from columns is bleeding on the walls on first floor and second floor. thats why they are looking darker than the top most flr. i think this doesnot appear in real life. how to correct this? and did you ppl find anyother mistakes? plz comment so that i correct them
anthonyjackb...
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RE: confusing using vray
Posted 07-Jul-2008 9:55 AM

to make it better i would use the walkthrough tool in the p.view to look around your hotel or building to see if it looks okay for you. As long as you like it and the way it looks. i don't know wheater to give you some information on the materials.

first off make sure the materials is easy on your eyes choose a material that will enable you to work for long periods of time whart you dont want happening is your eyes to start crossing and you start to get a headake because you used to dark of a color. choose a color that will lesson any long day effect working close in

make sure your materials have a little shine to them even if you deside to remove that raytace or specluar highlight once your done that will give you a better idear how the light in your scene will effect your surface where the shiney hightlights will end up on the object(s)

 

 







 

vikkram
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RE: confusing using vray
Posted 07-Jul-2008 10:37 AM


ecidream first of all thanks for the detail explanation. coming to answer the qs.

No, i am not using vray sky. only environment light. and there is a sky map in the environment (not vray sky).

yes i am not using vray sun. yes problem is with the camera. i have not noticed that until caprier pointed it. yes i did it already as what suggested using standard camera instead of vraycam. with this i got major difference. the above image is the result of that.

yes environment light is set to 1.0 and very light skyblue color. yes selcted area filter upto i'll now change it. sampling is now set to min -1 and max 1 for quick preview. irrediance map is set to min -4 max -4. color mapping is set to linear map and 1 (defaults). clamp output n subpixels are not selected. now i do this rendering and the redering with settings u specified and i'll post them here side by side.





vikkram
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RE: confusing using vray
Posted 07-Jul-2008 11:17 AM

thanks anthony i'll use ur suggestions to improve my bldg. now i am attaching a view of sample vray settings on a sample file
vikkram
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RE: confusing using vray
Posted 07-Jul-2008 11:58 AM

thanks for the suggestions by all. here is the final renderings by different settings
vikkram
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RE: confusing using vray
Posted 07-Jul-2008 12:05 PM

as my settings
vikkram
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RE: confusing using vray
Posted 07-Jul-2008 12:09 PM

as ecidream suggest
vikkram
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RE: confusing using vray
Posted 07-Jul-2008 12:11 PM

as sample image settings shown above
vikkram
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RE: confusing using vray
Posted 07-Jul-2008 12:58 PM

vikkram
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RE: confusing using vray
Posted 09-Jul-2008 8:24 AM

plz coment on the last three results. which one is lookng good and comment to correct them. i can't judge what setting correction is needed in each image due to lack of experience.
sangchinok
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RE: confusing using vray
Posted 09-Jul-2008 9:56 AM

Comments? Well...

I don't know VRay but here goes...

Your own settings looks a bit blurry as in like a soft-focus. Ecidream's suggestion looks like it's a bright sun shiny day. The third setting looks like it's shot in overcast lighting. I like ecidream's.

Ideas to tweak your setup? I wouldn't know. Heheheh...

However, I believe you may need to change or tweak the colours a bit. That what makes your rendering looks fake. Your test render with white material overide looks like its carved from polistyrene blocks - real, white, polistyrene blocks scaled model - so there's nothing wrong with the Vray setup, I believe.

About the colour being bounced onto other walls, I don't know how to adjust it in Vray but I believe there must be a setting for the number of times the light is bounced off of a surface so you get the realistic GI. Maybe only bounce it once? But I'd try using a darker material/colour first. Tell you what, why not take a photo of a surface that have your desired colour? Or scan it from the paint brochure? Or find out the material's true GI parameters? You know, like how gloss paint has a different reflective surface than plastic surface.

Oh, one last thing: The Ecidream's suggested renders looks a bit bluish. You may photoshop it to 'shif' the colour to just a bit to the red-orange tint so that the ambience looks natural i.e proper white-balancing.. If you're familiar with broadcast equipment, imagine a vectorscope helping you do the colour correction by showing where to shift the chrominence to the desired area so you get proper white balance. I don't know how to explain this white balancing thing properly, anyway. But the render's bluish, make it warmer so that it looks right.

All in all, you did a great job!

vikkram
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RE: confusing using vray
Posted 12-Jul-2008 10:00 AM
Modified by vikkram On 14-Jul-2008  12:49 PM

thanks sangchinok for your valuable comments. it helps me a lot. i have made lot of trials. somewhat undesrtood (not completly) and satisfied somewhat with this image. i want to make some mor research and make it even better but is constrain so i can't work more than this. but i can attach the archeive so any of you can try on it and make me understand how can it be imrpoved. if any one has time plz help me more. can i attach the archeive of my file?

final image
elyptic
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RE: confusing using vray
Posted 12-Jul-2008 1:30 PM

Hey vikkram,

If you have any kind of web hosting you could upload it to your site and give us the link. Personally, I think it's got more to do with the materials you've used than the lighting itself that is giving your render that look. I'd be more than happy to have a look at your scene and give as shot at fixing it up if I can :)
vikkram
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RE: confusing using vray
Posted 13-Jul-2008 3:49 PM

vikkram
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Posted 13-Jul-2008 4:06 PM

hey that link is to the members area. i don't know how to give a like to my file. it has given only uploading of file but not given how to link it on a webpage. can any one help me to upload my file to a free webhosting and give that link here?
vikkram
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RE: confusing using vray
Posted 13-Jul-2008 4:23 PM

i am not hosting any website and i don't know about it also. so plz kindly help me to uplad my archeive and provide the link here.
elyptic
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RE: confusing using vray
Posted 13-Jul-2008 5:49 PM

Hi vikkram,

I think you should be fine to use something like www.rapidshare.com if it's just to upload a single file. The daily download limit I believe is 100MB, but your scene should be smaller than that (unless you have some really large bitmaps in your scene!)

Maybe give that one a shot and we can take it from there.
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