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Bhnh; that worked fine,I made a few saved them cant find were thay went yet:)thanks Anthonyjackb:the cloth idea was good I played with it and many things came up thanks Tim displacement map idea was what I was doing in the first place,but I could not get the bitmap to import. The jpg is the wrond one it is an areal view from near space tim's render is rite if you were comming in from space,if I get it done there is 200 segments to this plot(battle field earth)now if I only can get the plane into inches instead of meters I have a go . thanks everone for you help
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